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RE: PC: Re: Penn Central Police patch

I agree that that patch is a fantasy item.
I can also second the legitimate patch story, about the good PC patches
having one star for each state, province & 1 for Washington D.C.

Anybody have an opinion on this badge?

First of all, the seller is obviously lying, because the badge is not 75
years old (he had to put that in there to get it on ebay). Second, I have
never heard of a rank called Deputy Chief.

Gary Farmer

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-penn-central -AT- smellycat.com
[mailto:owner-penn-central@smellycat.com]On Behalf Of Peter King
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 8:45 AM
To: penn-central -AT- smellycat.com
Subject: Re: PC: Re: Penn Central Police patch

Here's an auction for one of the patches that Ned is describing. (Not
my auction, I just found it.)


Peter King

--- Original Message ---
From: NES3524 -AT- aol.com
To: penn-central -AT- smellycat.com
Subject: Re: PC: Re: Penn Central Digest V1 #85

>The PCRR Police Department adopted a somewhat small patch in 1971,
>by an Inspector Robert Steele, an ex-NYC RR man then in command at
>Station in New York, if memory serves; it had a small star
representing each
>state (and province, I believe) served by the PC.  The only wording
>"POLICE" and it had green PC worms inside a white circle.  The rest
of the
>patch was gold embroidery on a dark blue background.   Incidentally,
>Conrail PD later adopted the same design, merely substituting the
>logo for the PC worms.
>As far as I know, prior to 1971 the PC PD did not have a patch.
>The only other authentic PC PD patch I am aware of is one that is
>impossible to find - it is a round yellow "Helicopter Surveillance"
>briefly used by a joint track patrol helicopter shared by the PC PD
and the
>Long Island Railroad PD in the New York City metropolitan area.  It
bears the
>old NY MTA "M" logo, but bears no mention of the name of either
railroad.  I
>only saw it once, in the early 1970s at the LIRR PD HQ; only an
>small number were made.
>There is, however, another PCRR PD patch floating around eBay these
days.  It
>is a larger, gold on black patch, with PENN CENTRAL POLICE fully
spelled out.
> The PC worms are white on red on a black circle inside a 16-pointed
star or
>sunburst design.  I did pick one up as a curiosity item.  What it
really is
>is open to question.  The one I received has a rather modern, iron-
>background, rather than the cheesecloth or mesh backing found on
patches from
>the 1970s.     My guesses are that: (1) it is a reproduction of a
>that was never adopted, (2) is a reproduction of something used in a
>geographical area, perhaps used unofficially, in order to look more
like the
>local police, or, (3) it is a complete fantasy item.
>Ned Schwartz

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