RE: PC: Re: Penn Central Police patch

["Gary Farmer" <gary@xxxxxxxxxx>]

Gang,
I agree that that patch is a fantasy item.
I can also second the legitimate patch story, about the good PC patches
having one star for each state, province & 1 for Washington D.C.

Anybody have an opinion on this badge?
 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1013845829

First of all, the seller is obviously lying, because the badge is not 75
years old (he had to put that in there to get it on ebay). Second, I have
never heard of a rank called Deputy Chief.

Gary Farmer



-----Original Message-----
From: owner-penn-central -AT- smellycat.com
[mailto:owner-penn-central@smellycat.com]On Behalf Of Peter King
Sent: Monday, October 08, 2001 8:45 AM
To: penn-central -AT- smellycat.com
Subject: Re: PC: Re: Penn Central Police patch


Here's an auction for one of the patches that Ned is describing. (Not
my auction, I just found it.)

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1014904927

Peter King

--- Original Message ---
From: NES3524 -AT- aol.com
To: penn-central -AT- smellycat.com
Subject: Re: PC: Re: Penn Central Digest V1 #85

>The PCRR Police Department adopted a somewhat small patch in 1971,
designed
>by an Inspector Robert Steele, an ex-NYC RR man then in command at
Penn
>Station in New York, if memory serves; it had a small star
representing each
>state (and province, I believe) served by the PC.  The only wording
was
>"POLICE" and it had green PC worms inside a white circle.  The rest
of the
>patch was gold embroidery on a dark blue background.   Incidentally,
the
>Conrail PD later adopted the same design, merely substituting the
Conrail
>logo for the PC worms.
>
>As far as I know, prior to 1971 the PC PD did not have a patch.
>
>The only other authentic PC PD patch I am aware of is one that is
virtually
>impossible to find - it is a round yellow "Helicopter Surveillance"
patch,
>briefly used by a joint track patrol helicopter shared by the PC PD
and the
>Long Island Railroad PD in the New York City metropolitan area.  It
bears the
>old NY MTA "M" logo, but bears no mention of the name of either
railroad.  I
>only saw it once, in the early 1970s at the LIRR PD HQ; only an
extremely
>small number were made.
>
>There is, however, another PCRR PD patch floating around eBay these
days.  It
>is a larger, gold on black patch, with PENN CENTRAL POLICE fully
spelled out.
> The PC worms are white on red on a black circle inside a 16-pointed
star or
>sunburst design.  I did pick one up as a curiosity item.  What it
really is
>is open to question.  The one I received has a rather modern, iron-
on
>background, rather than the cheesecloth or mesh backing found on
patches from
>the 1970s.     My guesses are that: (1) it is a reproduction of a
prototype
>that was never adopted, (2) is a reproduction of something used in a
limited
>geographical area, perhaps used unofficially, in order to look more
like the
>local police, or, (3) it is a complete fantasy item.
>
>Ned Schwartz
>
>