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No, they were
not used in the Selkirk area. They were stored in the remains of the Selkirk
roundhouse. Had they been used, the NYC would have been obligated to pay for
them (or their use) through purchase or lease, and that was the whole point of
refusing to accept them---they were NOT going to be put into service. NYC
allowed them to be stored there until ALCO found a purchaser, which turned out
to be the D&H.
As to whether
the models are bogus, there are a couple of right answers. We all know that the
model makers have to make money, so we should not begrudge them making kits in
schemes that either have no historical prototype (not the case here) or are on
the far end of actual historical accuracy (certainly the case here). If folks
enjoy running the RS11's, go for it! The hobby is supposed to be fun, and
everyone's definition of fun differs. I want to run only equipment that is
accurate for the fall of 1981, but I still like to dream of C44-9W's with 13-d
black paint, worms in love and lots of oil and dirt on them....accuracy is
important (hence the existence of Proto 2000), but it should not get in the way
of enjoying our hobby. 'Nuff said.
Patrick
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2001 12:21
AM
Subject: Re: PC: Re: Lightning stripes in
the PC era? NOPE--nor for RS-11s
Lionel is also offering these same NYC RS-11's in O Scale, so
they are not bogus. Since they were at Selkirk NYC had to use them around the
area. Fact is they were ordered and delievered so they are not bogus units.
They also have d/b's that 8000-8009 do not have. This leaves the 8015-8019
slot open for more RS-11's of possibly C420's
later.....Jerome
------Original Message------
From:
"Patrick Harris" <seaboardempire@earthlink.net>
To:
penn-central@smellycat.com
Sent:
January 15, 2001 4:14:23 AM GMT
Subject: Re: PC: Re: Lightning stripes in
the PC era? NOPE--nor for RS-11s
>From what I am seeing in pics,
some units may have been placed in deadlines to finish out their trust
(especially minority builders) or due to a "major malfunction" while still in
lightening stripes. Most of those were scrapped or traded in on NYC's late
50's/early 60's fleet modernization efforts, at least as I understand it.
Perhaps you could create a deadline of ratty pre-PC NYC/PRR units...sounds
cool to me!
patrick
seaboardempire@earthlink.net
----- Original Message -----
From: Jerry Jordak
To: penn-central@smellycat.com
Sent: Sunday, January 14, 2001 9:57 PM
Subject: Re: PC:
Re: Lightning stripes in the PC era? NOPE--nor for RS-11s
Patrick Harris wrote:
> In NYC Lightning Stripes, Vol. 2,
page 50, there is a photo of a covey of RS-11's in LS, BUT the
>
caption says: "Six RS-11's were assembled by ALCO in 1960 on the basis of a
verbal commitment from
> an NYC official, but they were never
accepted by the NYC and remained in storage at Selkirk
>
roundhouse through 1960. Eventually they were purchased by the D&H and
repainted by ALCO in their
> new gray and blue color scheme early
in 1961. These RS-11's (#8009-8014) were the ONLY ONES
> (added
emphasis) delivered in lightning stripes as the first group (#8000-8009) were
painted black......"
Interesting.... According to that, the
Atlas RS-11 models in lightning
stripes then are bogus, although the
numbers are correct (8011 and
8014). Apparently whoever at Atlas
decided on the paint scheme either
looked at the wrong photos, or
didn't read the entire caption...
Thanks for the
info!
-JWJ
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