Re: PC: RE:Bicentennial paint

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Wrong, as usual.

I have the 1973 DPA-LTA roster. The U34CH fleet is listed under Erie
Lackawanna, with a note that they are leased from New Jersey. (I guess
someone could say that EL didn't have any SDP45 since they were leased,
too.) 

I found a couple of diesel locomotive books that show the U34CH in its
modified EL paint scheme. One shows the first U34CH and the other shows
one just a few units from the end of the run.

NJDOT bought equipment to be used on various roads, starting in 1968, to
subsidize commuter service. Central of New Jersey, for example, received
a GP40P fleet.

All of the systems subsidized by NJDOT became part of Conrail in 1976.
This continued for several years. In 1981 The Northeast Rail Service Act
ordered Conrail to get out of the commuter business by the end of 1982.
NJ Transit was formed in 1982, and took over their commuter operations on
January 1, 1983.

Does anyone have any photos of Penn Central lettered equipment financed
by New Jersey, since NJDOT subsidized some ex-Pennsy lines? Also, does
anyone have more photos of NJDOT subsidized Conrail equipment?

Bryan


On Sun, 27 Feb 2000 01:09:29 -0500 "NEW HAVEN U25B"
<ERIE-LACKAWANNA -AT- prodigy.net> writes:
> Ownership plate on U34CH's stated NEW JERSEY DEPARTMENT OF 
> TRANSPORTATION,
> OWNER. The engines were bought outright by the state and not 
> financed and
> leased to EL plus the equipment at $1.00 per engine, per car, per 
> month.
> plus maintenance. The paint scheme was not an EL inspired one as 
> silver
> stripe was wider than the EL Maroon stripe. NJDOT GP7's and one 
> GP40P where
> painted as such as were many E8's. U34CH's were purchased at EL's 
> request
> because at the time the NJDOT did not have experience in purchasing
> locomotives and bought what EL wanted, a modified U36C with HEP
> that reduce HP to 3420, thus classified it as a U34CH. EL figured 
> they could
> use the engines on freights over weekends when some lines did not 
> operate
> weekend commuter service. NJDOT stopped the practice. Maintenance 
> base was
> Elizabethport and not Hornell. What EL did was illegal and not in 
> the
> agreeement with NJDOT. There were no leases on U34CH's. They were 
> 100% NJDOT
> owned and simply transferred in 1983 to NJDOT's railroad division 
> known as
> NJT. Only one FL9 5023 was lettered CR for obvious reasons. Engine 
> 5023 was
> the last 100% New Haven RR FL9 on the property in much need of a new
> repainting. NH paint was chipping and faded. It was totally 
> sandblasted the
> came out of Harmon shops in MTA blue and Yellow indicating MTA 
> ownership as
> all other FL9's with white CR name and logo.
> 
> 
> > most likely NJ DOT financed their purchase by EL, since they wore 
> NJ DOT
> > colors rather than G/M/Y EL colors.   I know from one of the EL 
> books that
> > EL wasn't supposed to use them west of Hornell when they did 
> borrow one
> for
> > frieght work - the idea being to keep them close so they would be 
> where
> > they belonged Monday morning.   Also, other than the Bicen unit I 
> don't
> > think any were ever lettered Conrail like FL9's were.  It could be 
> that it
> > took the original lease to expire before the actual title was 
> transfered
> to
> > NJT.
> >
> > Did PC paint anything besides the one buisness car for the 
> Bicentennial?
> I
> > know EL had it's SD45/SDP45 combo and LV did a caboose, but I'm 
> pretty
> sure
> > RDG and CNJ went without...    looks like the 2 PC engines that 
> were
> > painted were done by Conrail, though.
> >
> > ----------
> > > From: Garrett Rea <Garrett.Rea -AT- worldnet.att.net>
> > > To: penn-central -AT- smellycat.com
> > > Subject: Re: PC: RE:Bicentennial paint
> > > Date: Saturday, February 26, 2000 6:33 PM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: NEW HAVEN U25B <ERIE-LACKAWANNA -AT- prodigy.net>
> > >
> > >
> > > >The U34CH is not CR property and only lettered CR on the upper 
> side of
> > long
> > > >hood. Engine is also marked with NJDOT logos. A year after the 
> the
> > bicent
> > > >the engine remained red white blue and had the CONRAIL name 
> painted out
> > and
> > > >renumbered back to 4151 which is its real number.
> > >
> > >
> > > Would this be the same as CR U34CH 4151, an ex EL unit?  It is 
> shown as
> a
> > CR
> > > unit in 1977, based in Secaucus, working commuter service on 
> former EL
> > > territory.  This from CR's 77 roster.  Thirty-two units listed 
> total,
> > 4151
> > > first of the series.  As N. H, points out, there is a question 
> to actual
> > > ownership, as there was a lot of foreign power on CR in those
> > > days....however, it is under the "owned" category, not "leased". 
>  Other
> > > locos listed that went to NJDOT are not included in the totals 
> active by
> > > class, whilst the U34CHs are shown to be CR owned, but the 
> pictured unit
> > has
> > > NJDOT logos....CONFUSING!
> > >
> > > GWR
> > >
> > >
> >
> 
>