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Re: PC: More on Speculative Modelling
- Subject: Re: PC: More on Speculative Modelling
- From: rastaff@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 14:50:51 +0000
> From: Philip.Kuhl -AT- ping.be
> Date: Tue, 3 Mar 1998 19:45:42 GMT
> To: penn-central -AT- smellycat.com
> Subject: PC: More on Speculative Modelling
> Reply-to: penn-central -AT- smellycat.com
I think the up coming merger had a lot to do with the simple paint
used by both PRR and NYC. Why invest a lot of cash in creating a
identidy that was going to go away soon anyway.
The two tone NYC gray would look go on a modern locomotive. If the
NYC was to go it alone, with the pride it took in its passenger fleet
it very likely would have kept the two tone gray.
> A collective thank-you to the list as a whole! You all are coming up with
> more nifty ideas about "what ifs" than I ever could have dreamt of -- I, for
> one, hope the ideas keep coming!
> What a great idea to try to get New York State commuter authorities to bring
> back a New York Central lightning-stripe paint scheme as the Connecticut DOT
> did with the New Haven. Who would we write to in order to ask that this be
> Now, FPL-45s in lightning stripes would be great, but had to imagine since
> NYC had already gone to the simplified medium grey/white stripe/cigar band
> emblem paint scheme on the E-7s and E-8s several years before the merger.
> If we go on the assumption that the Penn Central merger never took place,
> then "modern" NYC passenger cars pose an interesting problem: The
> Metroliner silhouette may or may not be a reasonable prototype--maybe NOT
> because the Metroliner was a PRR/DOT project that probably would not have
> resulted in New equipment for the Central; --maybe SO because the Metroliner
> was built by Budd and Budd could easily have developed it into the new
> standard railroad passenger coach, just as was the case with Amfleet.
> Whatever the equipment, I'd like to see a NYC cigar band emblem at window
> level next to the passenger car door (as Southern Railway did in later
> years) for the same reason as did the Southern: news photographs of
> arriving dignitaries detraining would necessarily include the emblem, thus
> giving some free publicity to the railroad.
> My guess (Can anyone confirm it or refute it?) is that PC's black paint
> scheme was the result of the railroad looking for something simple and cheap
> to apply to its motive power. Black paint can come from any number of paint
> suppliers and will still be black, whereas other colors can vary according
> to supplier. (Look at the discussion we've had about what was PC/NYC
> green!) A lack of striping or multi-color painting makes the paint scheme a
> lot less expensive to apply -- a consideration for cash-strapped PC. But as
> our "modern" PC got some cash in its pockets, how might it have painted its
> motive power and why? Personally, I can't quite see PC using a variation of
> either NYC or PRR paint schemes since it probably would have the idea of
> creating a new corporate entity, but maybe some of you have other ideas?
> How about locomotive numbering series for the "new" PC power? Sticking with
> passenger trains because they are easier for me, I figure "PCFleet" is a
> real likelihood as is the conversion to head-end power. Thus, the steam
> heat boilers of the E units would no longer be needed and the E's would be
> progressive retired or traded in through the 1970s and 1980s. Replacement
> power (FP-40s?) would probably be geared for passenger speeds and have a HEP
> generator, so they truly would be "passenger units." My guess is that they
> would have stayed in the 4000 series -- perhaps 4300s or 4500s to
> distinguish them from the earlier power?
> How about electrification? Through the years there has been much thought
> given to electrification of the former NYC New York-Chicago main. Would
> that ever have come about? If so, would it have been third-rail or overhead
> catenary (replacing, of course, the third rail between Harmon and GCT on the
> former NYC Electric Division)? Why?
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