PC: RE: Penn Central Digest V7 #46 New Haven

[bryand@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]

The NH was a pull on the PC but if it had been involved from the start I
wonder if it may have been a plus quicker like the (NEC) has become.
The unique item on notices out here in the mid west is all of the Short
lines picking up abandon components of different tracks. A lot of former
NYC and Penn routes and or connections. 
Don Bryan / Indiana

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Subject: Penn Central Digest V7 #46

Penn Central Digest     Thursday, January 3 2008     Volume 07 : Number
046



 Subjects in this issue:
     PC: Another Nail in the Coffin
     PC: Re: [PCModeler] Re: Speaking of Red P units...(big $$$ 4 a
slide)
     RE: PC: Re: [PCModeler] Re: Speaking of Red P units...(big $$$ 4 a
slide)
     Re: PC: Re: [PCModeler] Re: Speaking of Red P units...(big $$$ 4 a
slide)
     Re: PC: Re: [PCModeler] Re: Speaking of Red P units...(big $$$ 4 a
slide)
     Re: PC: Re: [PCModeler] Re: Speaking of Red P units...(big $$$ 4 a
slide)
     Re: PC: Re: [PCModeler] Re: Speaking of Red P units...(big $$$ 4 a
slide)
     ADMIN Re: PC: Re: [PCModeler] Re: Speaking of Red P units...(big
$$$ 4 a slide)
     PC: X29 MOW cars PCRRHS exclusive offer
     Re: PC: Another Nail in the Coffin
     Re: PC: Another Nail in the Coffin

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Date: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 22:04:04 -0600
From: lnrr -AT- juno.com
Subject: PC: Another Nail in the Coffin

January 1 is the anniversary of the New Haven becoming part of the Penn
Central in 1969. This burden was one of the conditions of the merger
that
was dictated by the government. Taking over the New Haven allowed PC to
lose an extra million dollars a day, and this privilege only cost PC a
sixth of a billion dollars, give or take a few million. 

Bryan Turner
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Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 14:17:00 -0500
From: zootowerprr -AT- webtv.net
Subject: PC: Re: [PCModeler] Re: Speaking of Red P units...(big $$$ 4 a
slide)

        Is buying a slide for 80 bucks any different than buy a
Athearn-Gen F7 and completly taking it apart to change out the grills
and repainting it because the "red P is too red" or the "black is too
black", or this ain't right, or this is too right!????  I would LOVE to
see some of you guys PERFECT layouts. Or doing you have time to build a
perfect layout? Or are you spending time posting..."Hey guys, look at
the new PC diesel I just built! It has real employees in the cab. WOW!"
     Why don't you guys who just can't wait to point out everything
wrong with Athearn-Gen, Atlas,Bowser,Overland,EMD, etc,etc, show up to a
PCRRHS convention and bring your models and let some real PC employees
look over your models. Well?????? 

Dave Hopson 
       
        

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Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 19:30:00 +0000
From: Steffan Forbes <steffanf -AT- hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: PC: Re: [PCModeler] Re: Speaking of Red P units...(big $$$
4 a slide)

Damn... did I miss something?
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Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 12:07:41 -0800 (PST)
From: Stephen Vargo <anthrax2525 -AT- yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: PC: Re: [PCModeler] Re: Speaking of Red P units...(big $$$
4 a slide)

I see I drank the champagne too early. Dave, what you have said deserves
that kind of ovation.

zootowerprr -AT- webtv.net wrote:  
Is buying a slide for 80 bucks any different than buy a
Athearn-Gen F7 and completly taking it apart to change out the grills
and repainting it because the "red P is too red" or the "black is too
black", or this ain't right, or this is too right!???? I would LOVE to
see some of you guys PERFECT layouts. Or doing you have time to build a
perfect layout? Or are you spending time posting..."Hey guys, look at
the new PC diesel I just built! It has real employees in the cab. WOW!"
Why don't you guys who just can't wait to point out everything
wrong with Athearn-Gen, Atlas,Bowser,Overland,EMD, etc,etc, show up to a
PCRRHS convention and bring your models and let some real PC employees
look over your models. Well?????? 

Dave Hopson 






       
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Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 12:09:41 -0800 (PST)
From: Stephen Vargo <anthrax2525 -AT- yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: PC: Re: [PCModeler] Re: Speaking of Red P units...(big $$$
4 a slide)

I also meant to say the way some individuals are, their models are
supposedly more perfect than the big iron.
  Model rails aren't the only guilty ones at this. I've seen it across
the aircraft and armor communities too.

zootowerprr -AT- webtv.net wrote:
  
Is buying a slide for 80 bucks any different than buy a
Athearn-Gen F7 and completly taking it apart to change out the grills
and repainting it because the "red P is too red" or the "black is too
black", or this ain't right, or this is too right!???? I would LOVE to
see some of you guys PERFECT layouts. Or doing you have time to build a
perfect layout? Or are you spending time posting..."Hey guys, look at
the new PC diesel I just built! It has real employees in the cab. WOW!"
Why don't you guys who just can't wait to point out everything
wrong with Athearn-Gen, Atlas,Bowser,Overland,EMD, etc,etc, show up to a
PCRRHS convention and bring your models and let some real PC employees
look over your models. Well?????? 

Dave Hopson 






       
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Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 16:53:23 EST
From: Haagtk -AT- aol.com
Subject: Re: PC: Re: [PCModeler] Re: Speaking of Red P units...(big $$$
4 a slide)

In a message dated 1/1/2008 2:17:43 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,  
zootowerprr -AT- webtv.net writes:

Is  buying a slide for 80 bucks any different than buy a
Athearn-Gen F7 and  completly taking it apart to change out the grills
and repainting it  because the "red P is too red" or the "black is too
black", or this ain't  right, or this is too right!???? 
 
Well yes it is different. Not right or wrong but different.
 

I would  LOVE tosee some of you guys PERFECT layouts. Or doing you have
time 
to build  a
perfect layout?
 
Actually yesterday I posted a shot of the progress of my layout in my  
basement to the Files section.  It still does have some work to do
though......!
 

Or are  you spending time posting..."Hey guys, look at
the new PC diesel I just  built! It has real employees in the cab. WOW!"
 
Now that's just silly. 
 


Why don't you guys who just can't wait to point  out everything
wrong with Athearn-Gen, Atlas,Bowser,Overland,EMD, etc,etc,  show up to
a
PCRRHS convention and bring your models and let some real PC  employees
look over your models. Well?????? 



I have brought my models to a PCRRHS convention plus RPM meets for all
to  
see.  I also think that posting models to the PCModelers group exposes
the  
models to a much wider audience than the PCRRHS attendees. 
 
It is one thing to nitpick but another thing to point out some problems
AND 
show how to fix them. 
 
While I still think Athearn did a pretty good job with the Penn Central

F-units I am replacing the Genesis shell with a Highliner shell.   Why?
Well one 
reason is that I already have a couple of Penn Central  F-units
(Highliner 
shells on recycled Stewart mechanisms) and I guess I was more  careful
in the 
construction of the Highliner shell than the Chinese assembly  line
people were.  
I am more pleased with my own constructed models than  the RTR version
and 
what's wrong with that?
 
- -Tom Haag.
 
 
p.s. - Bob that's a great looking model and hope to see more from  you.
I 
have always enjoyed you Southern, NW, and NS modeling!!







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Date: Tue, 1 Jan 2008 16:33:31 -0600
From: lnrr -AT- juno.com
Subject: Re: PC: Re: [PCModeler] Re: Speaking of Red P units...(big $$$
4 a slide)

>         Is buying a slide for 80 bucks any different than buy a
> Athearn-Gen F7 and completly taking it apart to change out the 
> grills and repainting it because the "red P is too red" or the "black
is 
> too black", or this ain't right, or this is too right!????  

Huh?

Apples and oranges.

 
Bryan Turner
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Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2008 17:37:35 -0500
From: Jerry Jordak <jer -AT- smellycat.com>
Subject: ADMIN Re: PC: Re: [PCModeler] Re: Speaking of Red P
units...(big $$$ 4 a slide)

All,

For the benefit of everyone who is wondering what they missed, it 
appears that a discussion that was taking place on the PCModeler list 
got cross-posted to this mailing list.

List rules prohibit cross-posting between the Penn Central Mailing List 
and other lists. Furthermore, there are many members of this list that 
are not on PCModeler, and have no idea of the discussion that took place

before the thread spilled over here.

For these reasons, please continue the rest of this particular thread on

the PCModeler list only. Thank you.

Jerry Jordak
Listmaster

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Date: Tue, 01 Jan 2008 19:47:05 -0500
From: heavyelectric -AT- netscape.net
Subject: PC: X29 MOW cars PCRRHS exclusive offer

Hello PC and PRR?fans and modelers,

The PCRRHS is taking orders for an exclusive run of HO scale Red Caboose
X29 MOW boxcars in?camp car?yellow. These will be available in 2 PC
numbers, 2 PRR numbers, and painted but unlettered. The cars will
be?assembled (RTR)?with plate ends and patch panels, and include the
grabs and end markers that were found in cars formerly in express and
mail service. The entire run will be only 300 units with a price?of
$31.95 each. PCRRHS Model Committee members did the research for this
project.

PCRRHS members had advance notice as an order form was included with the
last POST. A link to the?order form?and more information on the cars can
now be found on the PCRRHS homepage, www.PCRRHS.org.?More than half?of
the PC units are now sold, so please indicate if an alternative is
acceptable. Payment on unfilled orders will be promptly returned. Please
print out and use the order form if you can as it makes everything
easier on our end.

We had hoped to have these available for the West Springfield show, but
delivery is now expected either during that week or the first week of
February. Thank you.

Jim Homoki
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Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 18:37:17 EST
From: Perrincpa -AT- aol.com
Subject: Re: PC: Another Nail in the Coffin

NH was short term failure. long term success-
 
New Haven Merger Opens way to Profitable operations - i.e. North east  
Corridor (NEC)
 
Although the New Haven merger was negotiated as part of the PC merger
and  
forced in on January 1st it appears from the bankruptcy, and the NH
additions to 
 the red ink, that the NH idea was a bad one. In fact history would 
demonstrate  that it was a good idea. 
 
Since the PC was the largest merger in history (through 1968) no one  
imagined how long it would take to align and merge these unprecedented
large  
companies. Con Rail which emerged would become one of the most
profitable and  
successful merged railroads in history. Further, the NEC remains in a
strong  
positive cash flow position and subsidizes Amtrak's otherwise negative
cash  
position. 
 
Frank Perrin
Port Road
 
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Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 19:05:06 -0600
From: lnrr -AT- juno.com
Subject: Re: PC: Another Nail in the Coffin

> Further, the NEC remains in a strong positive cash flow position and
subsidizes Amtrak's otherwise negative cash position. 

This is only true for operating costs. Like all passenger rail systems,
Amtrak (including the NEC) requires a government subsidy to cover
capital
costs.

Bryan Turner
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