Re: PC: H-12-44 #8315

["Steffan Forbes" <steffanf@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

   DAMN!  I knew this would happen.  For months I have been asking everyone 
for photos of the 8315 to no avail.  Finally, I came to a conclusion that 
there wasn't any photo documentation to be found.  So, I painted a model for 
the unit based on a full PC scheme.  I really wish you had spoken up 
earlier.  Is it possible you can send me photos of both of those engines 
(8315 & 8316).  I will likely be doing some re-painting...

                                                       -Gregg B.



>From: Mark_Branibar -AT- praxair.com
>Reply-To: penn-central -AT- smellycat.com
>To: penn-central -AT- smellycat.com
>Subject: Re: PC: H-12-44 #8315
>Date: Mon, 2 Jul 2001 09:58:53 -0400
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>I finally had some time to do some checking in my files concerning 8315.  
>It
>appears that 8315 was not a full PC paint job but only a touch-up job.  I 
>have
>photos of it sitting at Colehour Yard in Chicago in late 1970, apparently 
>soon
>after the touch-up.  The unit remained in it's New York Central paint.  The 
>only
>place where new paint was applied was on the cab sides directly below the
>number.  This was done to cover the NYC cigar band herald.  The PC logo was
>applied on the cab below the number exactly where the NYC logo was.  A 
>straight
>line where the new paint meets the old is clearly visible on the photos.  
>Also
>the white frame stripe is from the former NYC paint job.  This unit was
>repainted in full NYC paint in mid 1967 so the frame stripe appears quite 
>fresh
>instead of being in worn condition.  The trucks were painted black.  As
>previously mentioned by someone else, the frame stripe paint tended to 
>chalk on
>the truck frames when it was sitting in the Altoona deadline, making them 
>appear
>gray.
>
>Also here is an interesting fact about 8316 which I had forgotten about.  
>On
>Jerry's PC Web Page under Locomotive Photos, there is a photo of 8316 in 
>the FM
>section.  The caption mentions that there are remains of an orange 'C' in 
>the
>logo under the number.  That is incorrect.  The unit was side-lined at 
>Colehour
>Yard in November 1968 while still in full NYC paint.  Apparently while on 
>the
>deadline at Colehour somebody applied a small PC logo to the cab side 
>directly
>below the number 8316.  The NYC paint remained untouched.  The name Penn 
>Central
>was located below the logo.  The interesting thing is that while the 'P' in 
>the
>logo was white, the 'C' was in green.  I have a slide of 8316 while at 
>Colehour
>on the deadline so the green is a definite confirmation.
>
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>"Steffan Forbes" <steffanf -AT- hotmail.com> on 06/24/2001 04:07:05 PM
>
>Please respond to penn-central -AT- smellycat.com
>
>To:   penn-central -AT- smellycat.com
>cc:    (bcc: Mark Branibar/USA/NA/Praxair)
>Subject:  PC: H-12-44 #8315
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>    I've asked the list several times for some photo documentation of the
>8315, the only FM H-12-44 painted for PC.  Finally, I came up with a
>photograph of this unit, apparently in the Altoona dead line.  Unlike what
>most would assume, the unit was indeed painted full PC.  I will send them 
>to
>Jerry and see if he will post them to his website.  Hopefully, he will
>provide a link to the pictures for anyone interested.
>
>                                                 -Gregg B.
>
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