Re: PC: Goodby Conrail

[BGXX32A@xxxxxxxxxxx (MR PETER A KING)]

> >> >lines near the bridge under the Hudson.
> >
> >Nope, you're wrong. CR did not feel it was worth maintaining the
> bridge for
> >$26G a year only for Central Hudson and did not renew the lease 
and
> the
> >power was turned off before CR sold the bridge. CR originally 
hired
> a Texas
> >demolition company to blow up the bridge that never happned.
>
>Newspapers are a bad source of data when it comes to railroad issues 
as they
>lack the knowledge and experience of sad topic. They will ask the 
next door
>neighbor for any conflicting reports. That is no news.

In the Poughkeepsie area, where I currently live, the bridge 
situation is more of a PROPERTY issue than a railroad one. It ceased 
being a railroad issue when Conrail sold the bridge. You question my 
source, but do not list yours. Which is more likely to be reliable?

>> As stated below, information from the Poughkeepsie Journal, a
>> reputable newspaper. (The oldest in NY, in fact.) Your source for
>> conflicting information?
>
> >> Incorrect. CR sold the bridge. It was the new owner who doubled
> >> Central Hudson's rent immediately, causing them to move the 
lines
> >> ASAP under the river. Information from the Poughkeepsie Journal
> at
> >> the time.
> >
>
> > > It gives them a good New England route from Port =
> > >Jervis area as well as Croxton since there is no other Hudson
> River
> > rail =
> > >crossing.=20
> >
> >Wake up. The tracks may be removed by you know who, but the ROW 
is
> fully
> >intact. I suggest you go there and walk the line. If it was as 
you
> said, NS
> >Officials would not have wasted there time looking over the line
> back in
> >February. You're not up on current events and only believe what 
you
> hear
 >from othere.

>I know the areas you speak of better than you.  My uncle lives in 
the white
>house west of 9W in back of the ROW and that bridge over 44-55 was 
taken
>down now last year, but several years ago.  ROW is not obliterated 
where
>track could not be relaid.  The lines would need new track anyway, 
so what
>is your point?

A bridge several hundred feet long AND ITS APPROACHES were taken down.
 The project finished early last construction season. It took many 
months to tear the bridge down. Extremely expensive to replace, and 
unlikely to be worth it for a rail line. Also, that line travels 
through areas that have been built up a LOT in the last 20 years. 
There's likely to be a lot of local opposition to rebuilding the line.
 Plus, there's the issue of Dutchess County Route 11, which would be 
built on that ROW.

If you are familiar with 9W, then you know about the line being wiped 
out and used for some kind of underground facility just west of where 
the line crosses under 9W. Unsuitable for laying track.

>You failed to answer "why NS officials were here in February looking 
over
>the line fior reuse".. You don not think it will happen, then tell 
that to
>NS. Maybe too late to rebuilt the NYW&B bit not Maybrok Line.

Why were they here? Last time I moved, I looked at 20 houses. 18 of 
them were unsuitable for one reason or another. Then why did I bother 
to look at them? I didn't KNOW they were unsuitable until I looked. 
The fact that they looked means they were interested. It does not 
mean the project is feasible.
?> n
>> I know what I have seen with my own eyes. The ROW immediately to 
the
>> west of Route 9W on the west side of the bridge is built up about 
20
>> feet higher than original. Some sort of pipeline or power line 
was
>> apparently installed on the ROW. It's not just missing track. ROW 
is
>> obliterated. I see this 5 to 6 times a year, when I go to Ulster
>> County.
>
>> The substantial concrete bridge and its approaches over US44/NY55 
was
>> torn down last year. I pass by this every time I go to my dentist.

>>
>> I'm fully awake. I know what I see. Substantial physical 
impediments
>> to relaying the line exist. It's not going to happen.
>
>> When was the last time you saw the line where it passed under US9W?

>> When was the last time you saw where the bridge USED to be over
>> US44/NY55? For me, both were in the past few months.
>
> > On what ROW. It doesn't exist anymore.
> >

I will not waste any more of the list's time on this. Do not e-mail 
me.

Peter King